Monday, June 12, 2006

"Recurrent Corneal Erosion Syndrome"

It's 8pm -- well after dark, where I live -- and I'm typing this with my sunglasses on.

This is a story about my experience of Recurrent Corneal Erosion Syndrome.. it's a bit long and overly detailed, partly coz it's for my mum (hi Mum!) and partly in case some other poor bugger gets RCES and stumbles across this page. I'll try and put in good headings in so you can skip the bits you don't wanna read.

What It Is

Recurrent Corneal Erosion Syndrome means that a flap of the clear skin on my cornea was torn at some point in the past. Cornea skin can stick back down fairly quickly, but might take 6 or 8 weeks to become fully reconnected. If you're unlucky, then for some reason the flap of skin can attach to your eyelid overnight, and when your eye twitches the flap tears back off again.

The Wikipedia article has more info.

How It Started

About three years ago I woke one night with a bit of pain in my right eye. I'd been routing some MDF earlier that week and I guessed that I'd rubbed a bit of dust into my eye.

The soreness went away after an hour or two, just like it did a month or two later when it happened again, and again the month after that. I'd wake in the early hours, sit up for a hour, then go back to sleep. Sometimes it would still be bugging me the next morning, and sometimes it'd happen a few nights in a row.

I went to a few different GPs at varoius times; a couple had a look at the underside of my eyelid but couldn't see anything, and others guessed that my glasses prescription was wrong, or that I needed antibacterial drops, or whatever. It always went away, so in theory, all treatments (including doing nothing) were equally successful.

Getting Worse


Then, about six months ago, I had a full two days of continuous pain, and resolved to more seriously pursue a solution. I went onto some antibacterial drops and the problem went away again. Same thing happened next time. Then about a month ago it flared up again and I got another prescription of drops and cream.

Unlike doctors before him, this GP now made a confident diagnosis: he told me I had a stye deep under my eyelid, and that was occasionally releasing a bunch of infected gunk. I was pretty happy to get a clear diagnoisis, and the permanent cure, according to that GP, was just to not rub that eye, and the stye would go away.

Brilliant, I thought. I got back on the antibacterial drops and nightly cream, and started to religiously avoid touching my eye. It's harder than you think, especially since the nighttime antibacterial cream sticks in your eyelashes and you can't rub it out in the shower the next morning.

Hurting Hurting Hurting

Four weeks later, and no real improvement. On Wednesday my regular morning scratchiness stuck around for longer that usual, so my daughter and I were late for our Wednesday morning preschool. At work that afternoon my eye hurt continuously, and just after making it home that day, the pain got so bad my eyes just cranked themselves shut.

I managed to force them open that night to jam in some drops and cream, but didn't get any sleep. The only thing stopping me from doing a midnight run to the hospital's emergency room was the current Australian government (whose policies don't include well-funded hospitals).. I expected that I'd be kept waiting around the whole night anyway.

The next morning my wife took me to the first GP we could get an appointment at, which happened to be across the road from the hospital. With pain jamming my eyes shut I was completely blind and M--- had to lead me around. The GP basically just called the hospital's eye clinic and booked us in there, then we borrowed a wheelchair and wheeled over. A hour or so later a nurse gave me a few drops of local anaesthetic and I could open my eyes again.

Another hour later and the opthalmology registrar was looking at my eye with a Big Machine With A Bright Light (BiMWABL, I'll call it), and I was diagnosed with "recurrent erosion syndrome". The registrar taped a pad against my eye, very firmly, gave me an appointment the next day, and sent me home.

Anyway, once the local anaesthetic wore off the terrible blades of pain started whirling in my eye again, but having an actual diagnosis (from an actual expert) was surprisingly buoying. The night went very slowly -- it hurt too much to lie my head back, so I dozed through much of the night sitting in a chair at my kitchen table, slumping forward onto my pillow on the table.

Into Hospital

The next day was Friday and again some local anaesthetic mercifully took away the pain for a few hours, long enough for the opthalmology consultant and registrar to confirm the diagnosis. The treatment for recurrent erosion is some eye drops, and spending several days not moving your eye or eyelid while having a pressure pad on it, so they booked me into a hospital bed.

We waited in the eye clinic about 6 hours. Once the local wore off, opening or moving my good eye moved the bad eye to make me yell with pain, so I was effectively blind the whole time. We moved up to some couches in a ward and waited another hour or two. M--- left to pick our children up from daycare and I was eventually led to a bed and settled in.

Around midnight (I guess) I was moved from that bed to another, which was great, as the first bed was in a room with several other people including one poor guy who I think was recovering from a heart bypass, who had dementia and spent most of the night calling out stuff like "Where am I? Can somebody help me? I feel awful sick.". The new bed was in a room on its own. I kept waiting to get booted in favour of a private patient but it never happened.

Visions and No Sleep

If you're paying any attention to what is around you, it's really hard not to flick your eyes in the direction of some new sound, even when your eyes are shut, so I had to really zone out from the environment to keep my eyes from twitching around.

The pain made it impossible to sleep. If I could keep my eyes still for a while, I could doze off, but the instant I started slipping into REM sleep my eyes would move and the slashing pain would wake me again.

The combination of zoning out, no sight, and no proper sleep led to some really weird visions. I spent long minutes looking at a tree trunk, or watching a big boat pass by. I guess I knew they were hallucinations the whole time. On Saturday M--- dropped in a music player my brother had loaded up for me, and I spent a lot of that evening watching crazy new music clips playing against my eyelids.

Food

I was on a "soft" diet, which is soft veges etc, but I found that chewing at all was moving my eye too much. Changing hospital diets seems a bit like changing the address on your bank account -- you have to ask a few times before it sticks -- but I eventually got changed to a pureed diet. Unfortunately it wasaround the time my eye started getting better, and I wasn't able to change it back before checking out. Oh well.

Getting Better

By Sunday afternoon the slashing neon knives of pain had receded to a rouch scratchiness and occasional spikes. The opthalmologist wheelchaired me down to the eye clinic for another look with his BiMWABL, and said it was looking much better, and I might be getting home the next day.

Another BiMWABL inspection Monday, and I was released.

Home Now

So I'm home now, writing this (I started on Monday, but now it's Tuesday afternoon, because I can only look at the computer screen for short stints).

My right pupil is still gigantic, and it feels a little weird but doesn't hurt at all. I still need sunglasses everywhere and in bright sunlight I can't open my eyes at all, but I expect that to pass over the next couple of days. I'm using regular lubricating eye drops and I guess I'll use them nightly for the rest of my life, but that's a tiny price to pay for avoiding any recurrence of this pain.

So that's it, up til now. Told you it was long and boring :)

Attention, ECHELON

It occured to me that the CIA should look into corneal scraping as a torture. You need a BiMWABL to see it, so the pesky inspectors from the Red Cross or whoever will never know. Just a thought; my ECHELON readers might like to pass it on to their Egyptian friends.

114 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get Well Soon.......

Adam

P.S. - "Stop or you will go blind..."

15 June, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, I have had this problem for approx 26 years!!...

Sounds hard to believe, but when I first realised there was a problem it was way back in 1980 and I don't think any one knew too much about it... It appeared to be more of a dry eye problem…, and it only ever happened at night…

I would wake at 04:00am, and my eyes would just pour…, the pain was unbelievable.. At first the problem was with just one eye…, and then in approx 1994 it moved to the other as well…

I was eventually referred to Moorfields Eye Hospital, London in 1990 where I met a Doctor who told me I had a rare condition. The fluid between my eye and the cornea did not adhere the cornea to the eye correctly…, so the constant pulling of the cornea with the eyelid just meant that the cornea never stuck back correctly to the eye…, thus meaning the recurrence of the problem was highly likely…

The advice back then was to keep my eyelids clean and use anti-biotic creams etc…, none of which ever really worked, the same went for artificial tears etc..

The reason my problem has gone on so long is that I did not understand the length of time the injury needs to repair itself… The recommended time is approx 16 weeks, and in 26 years I had never had a break for longer than a couple of weeks… The degree of the problem was different too, sometimes it would be mild and sometimes really bad…

I also didn’t know that there have been a number of advances in the treatment of this problem since 1990…. I just got used to this happening and dealt with it…. I think I have also been given bad advice over the years as I went to see a specialist 3 years ago and he just reiterated the idea of keeping the eyelids clean etc…, not a word about new treatments etc… I actually suggested Punctal Plugs, so as to allow more tears to stay in my eyes in an effort to get me through the night, but he said that would not be of any use…

There now seems to be three ways to tackle the problem…

1. Laser surgery (PTK)
2. Contact lens – Silicone Hydrogel type, which you wear all the time for 16 weeks, so the eyelid cannot stick to the damaged area…
3. Anterior Stromal Puncture – Where they puncture areas of the eye with a needle to promote the bonding of the cornea and the eye…

It’s been a nightmare…, and it’s hard to convey how much of a mess this has made of my sleeping patterns and in deed, my life….

I’m seeing my Doctor again in the next few weeks and I hope he suggests the Contact lens option…., this could be the beginning of a new beginning….

30 October, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I finally got diagnosed and, what a relief it is to finally know what's going on!!!
I lucked out by calling an eye surgeon and, without hesitation, he told me what it was. I did scratch my cornea about 16 years ago and found injury is a contributing factor to RCE.
I was very skeptical of anyone ever being able to diagnose me, as I have told several optometrists and doctors and they all told me something intelligent like, “Maybe you got something in your eye.” I have searched the web repeatedly, typing in all my symptoms, but never found RCE until the doctor gave me the disease name.
As far as the pain being unbearable - - I confirm. I've giving birth & suffer from migraines but an erosion episode is like nothing else I've experienced.
I am gooping up each night with ointments & lubing often with artificial tears.
I put on quite a screaming show for my husband last Saturday morning; hopefully it will never happen again.
I hope to the same for you. Cheers from Colorado, USA.

19 December, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Everyone. All of our stories sound exactly the same. I have had RCE for about 3 years. For the past 2 years I have worn a bandage contact lens at night and have not had an episode since then. My doctor put the contact in after a very bad episode and I asked him if I could wear it just at night. That is what I have been doing and it works. Until they come up with a permanent solution I will continue to wear the contact at night. I hope this helps even one person, there is not reason to suffer so much when the contact works very well. Take care. Linda

18 February, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have had RCE for the past 3 years. After a very bad episode my doctor put a contact lens in until my eye healed. Since this occurs during REM sleep I asked the doctor if I could continue to wear the contact, just at night. He said to try it and I have not had an episode the past 2 years. Until they come up with a permanent solution I will continue to wear it at night. There is no reason to suffer when such a simple solution is right at hand. Take care. Linda

18 February, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh my goodness have been suffering in agony for years with this. Having a baby was a walk in the park compared to the pain ive been in.The pain takes you to such a lonley place and noone seems to understand the acute agony it causes. Havnt had it for ages and my eyes have learned to open slowly when i wake. Caroline

15 March, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi!

My name is Adam and I have RCE for almost 5 years now. The doctors tried everything here, from drops to operation, and I must say,it really ruins your life. I have a rare version of this problem, since i have it in both eyes and they are exactley on the same spot.It surfaced without any trauma, slowly developing in 5-6 weeks. This is an inherrited version of RCE, a genetic one, at this point there are no cure for it. At least where I live, which is Hungary, Europe.
So for me the contact lenses, that you wear at night might be the option, but none of the doctors here offered me this, so far.
Can you buy those in the pharmacy in the US? If you can, next time i visit my friend, i would just go and buy a few. If anyone knows this or has any solution that worked for him, please share!

Adam Szeleczky
Budapest, hungary

15 March, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi i know this sounds strange but i found soaking a flannel in warm water and then sleeping with it pressed on your eye helped a lot caroline

21 March, 2007  
Blogger Margie said...

Oh my god, I can't believe how many people have already responded that they have been living with this condition for so long.

I'm 21, and I started having recurrent corneal erosions about 1 year ago, and it was really awful. Painful, recurring, frustrating, hard to heal... I'm sure you know how it's like. But last summer I had PTK on the right eye, and that definitely corrected the problem. I don't get it anymore. About a month ago I had PTK on the left eye to treat that too, and its healed. I've been corneal abrasion free for a while now, and I would definitely, definitely recommend it. The surgery for each eye is $2000 but many insurance policies will cover it (the nature of the condition is that its often caused by an injury, so that can be your argument). Find a corneal specialist or laser treatment center and definitely go for a consultation. The actual laser treatment takes only about 15 minutes and the discomfort is gone in 2 days, and heals relatively quickly after that. Seriously, don't live with something like this any longer than you have to.

RCE is actually quite common, its scary!

03 April, 2007  
Blogger Margie said...

actually, see this for more info

http://hkmargie.blogspot.com/2007/04/good-eye-news.html

03 April, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is 4.30am here in England and I woke up at 3.30am with the pain. My eye is still watering and now rather swollen. I have had this condition for about 3 months now. It's so frustrating. Take Care Samantha.

24 April, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh crap, i just stumbled onto this site while trying to look up something to help with the condition... i have had it for about 4 months and thought that was a long time and i would be getting better any day now, seems not likely eh. I can sympathize with you folks.

27 April, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks to everyone who has posted. I have had this condition for many months now, with really severe, insane pain the last two months.

The most recent consult with the opthamologist was a damper, since he advised again there is really nothing that can be done, just wait it out and keep putting this really thick gunk on my eyes before bed to keep them from adhering to the lid. It's helped a few times, but I am still awoken almost nightly by the indescribable pain, as soon as I hit REM sleep. Then of course, my first reaction is to open them, and well, that's equivalent to someone shaving your eyes every night. Just try to sleep after that.

He said "this condition usually resolves itself." How long? "Well, it's different for everyone." (The doctor also mentioned that even though he has only seen a handful of cases like this over his entire career, he has had to hospitalize patients with this because the pain was unmanageable.) And as happy as I was to actually have a diagnosis, I had no idea I could suffer from this for years, as some of the previous posts have chronicled.

Thank you, thank you, for the suggestions mentioned. I am going to start seeking second opinions and find a physician that will consider some of the options mentioned. If a contact lens worn at night will do the trick, sign me up!

I'm a tough girl and can deal with just about anything, but much more of this and I'll be asking for hot poker...
--KC

10 May, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this blog. It has been so hard to find out any information about this, and obviously, this condition is a little more "Common" than the ophthamologists lead you to believe. i did happen to just stumble upon this site, trying to research treatment options, and have learned more from all of you than Web MD can tell me. I have been in such pain and agony, and while I truly sympathize with all of you, it is a bit comforting to know I am not alone. I just had the Bowman's procedure done (needle in the eye, YEA!!!!) but I still am having problems. I do alright for a few days, then BAM! I like the analogy of someone shaving your eye balls, so very true! I had absolutely no idea about the contact lens, so I will definitely be asking about that. I too have learned to NOT OPEN YOUR EYE FAST in the morning, but in my case, it just doesn't matter. And the goop, I put that in my eye everycnight, and wake up with goopy crud all over the place. Weeee,what fun this is! I do the moisturizing eye drops too. If you can stand it, I have found that the humidity created by wearing an eye patch does help. But, this is not always convenient, (I'm a transcriptionist and have to have both of my eyes to see, thank you very much!)

Thank you for listening to me, and thanks again for this blog.

Take care, all! MaryAnne

01 June, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After suffering for years and after trying everything was forced down the homeopathic route which i have to say seemed like such a shot in the dark, and one i had no belief in. The lady i visited in covent garden told me that there was something in my life i was choosing not to see and that was causing the condition. you can imagined what i thought of that. She gave me some drops to put under my tongue and fifty pounds later went home feeling cheated. Almost immediately the symtoms went and i later did discover something was indeed happening that i just wouldnt see.... wierd eh what you think guys.

01 June, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel so bad for you all. My husband has had RCE (and Corneal Epithelial Basement Membrane Dystrophy) since an incident in Nov 06 and it is just horrible. We are willing to go anywhere in the world to fix it, but there just isn't the information (or cure) out there?! We are in Perth, Australia and apparently have the best Ophthalmologist on the job? We are going in for a 2nd lasik surgery next week because the last one (only 3 months ago) has not worked. The stromal puncture prior also did not work. I really want the contact lenses, but we've asked already and they're not interested. I will have to make them listen next week, or they can tell me WHY he can't have them to wear at night! I have found the worst part is that no-one gets it. No-one seems to understand the magnitute of the problem (being the instant horrendous pain and the chance it will be there forever). Only those in that bedroom when it happens and you can't even find your way to your own medication to relieve your own pain know how bad it really is!!!! It's really horrible to not know if it will ever stop happening to him. (We are luckier than those of you that have to not only go through this, but also somehow pay for your treatment, as ours is Worker's Comp. It's a little relief to an otherwise gigantic burden.) Love and painfree times to you all, Lil!

12 July, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really do feel that more should be done to help us,its worse than any other pain i know and often feels like someone is stabbing me in the eye with a very sharp knife.Pain killers dont work so the pain must be really bad. What can we do?

14 July, 2007  
Blogger Shirley said...

Hi there ... I'm an RCE sufferer for 13 years ... been through it all like everyone else who has posted.

My thoughts on treatments ... have any of you had saline treatment following patching? Muro 123 drops and ointment? It does seem to help "stick" the cells down on the cornea. As well, my opthalmologist scrapes (yes its gross) the bad cells off and new ones grow that "stick" better.

As for the bandage contacts at night. I tried that for a while BUT it can be worse as the contacts can trap bacteria leading to an infection which would be WORSE because you could lose your sight.

Today its acting up but it's been calm for almost 3 yrs. I do the nightly goop and then again when I get up in the night and it has helped immensely. Theres not a lot else they can do ... eventually a cornea transplant can help but only when the eyesight is really compromised.

I'm sure pretty much everyone has an underlying cornea dystrophy which is why this happens. It does resolve itself fairly quickly luckily when it happens.

Anyway ... that's my 2 cents. BTW I've found that the pain is okay once I knew what it was. When my cornea gets scarped its NOT okay but by and large I can "put up" with it esp with large sunglasses! I HATE it when it's a sunny day and this is flaringup!

Cheers

16 July, 2007  
Blogger carol said...

I am so glad for this blog. As they say, misery loves company. Nothing is quite so isolating as eye pain. It's not like childbirth,broken bones,etc. where everyone commiserates. I feel no one really understands--until now. Anyway, I have been told I have limbic stem cell deficiency. I have been to many experts. They want to transplant healthy cells from good eye over spot that keeps eroding in bad eye. But, since surgery started this problem, I am quite reluctant to follow through.
So, I am going to try more of a preventative approach: eye rest daily, compresses, stay well hydrated. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

04 August, 2007  
Anonymous Gary said...

Wow, I didnt know there was so many of us RCE suffers. I've had the condition for about 13 years now in both eyes. It took several years before I was correctly diagnosed with RCE. I now use eye drops during the day and Lacrilube (expensive eye goop $20AUD for 2 tiny tubes) in large volumes at night. Even with this, I still endure a bad episode every couple of months in one or the other or on the rare occasion, both eyes. As all of you know, the pain is horrible for about an hour during the event and then the pain subsides as the eye quickly begins to recover. I usually try and sleep as much as I can to rest the eyes after a bad episode.

I find that my eyes become so swollen by the event that I have no point of focus for as much as 3 days in the effected eye. Do you guys get that??? I imagine you do.

What is the deal with PTK? Can someone please post a link to explain the procedure? I be very thankful. Also, how painful is the procedure? I'm wondering if this is the procedure my optimoligist was talking about last time I saw her. She said that there was a prcedure where the lining of the eye was removed and had to be left to grow back. She said it was a horribly painful procedure so now I'm worried about getting it done :(

Great to have found this page. Thank you to its author and to all of you who have contributed.

Regards
Gary T
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.

22 August, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i was just diagnosed with corneal erosion. It came out of nowhere. I am being treated with anitbiotic drops as well as steriod drops. I have been in pain for a week now but it seems to be getting a little better.

26 August, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My husband developed RCE this summer. We kept thinking he had a dry eye..odd since we live in a very humid climate. He's thinking he's having the problem as a result of having diabetes..Is there anyone else out there who has an idea about this? Right now we are just in the beginning of realizing it may not go away for awhile and wondering how to manage this to help keep the discomfort to a minimum. Thanks for starting this site. We had never heard of this until now and I did not know that it was so...common?..

04 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi I have had RCE for about 4 years. Only slightly irritated left eye at first, until the dye used by the opticians and the opthalmologist to detect RCE caused me to have an excruciating episode that lasted for 3 days. He explained the disease and told me to use Lacrilube. I have read up on RCE and now drink lots of water, eat almonds, keep water in the house in bowls to create a humid climate and use lacrilube religiously. I have not had an attack since following this regime and pray I never will as the pain is unbelievable and as a single parent have no one to help when it hits. I believe the dye used by the opticians to see the condition in my case brings on an episode. I can't believe how many have this condition and no studies are being done to recrify it.

07 September, 2007  
Anonymous Margy said...

Hi, it is strangely helpful to realise so many people are suffering with this awful condition. It is certainly making my life a misery and I cant see any end to the symptoms, I have a referral for hospital consultation so will have to wait and see how that goes. Laser treatment sounds scary but anything that is going to mean I can get peace will be good. I am finding so much of my life is affected by this as often symptoms dont disappear for days at a time - and the nights of excrutiating pain mean that bedtime is not a pleasant time as I just know the pain will come during the night. I too use lacrilube - am never sure quite how much I should use - and often seems quite wasteful as it comes out as quickly as it goes in. I use viscotears through the day - usually 6 or 7 times. I am keen to try the almonds and keeping humidity up. I find swimming and showering help - again for the humidity reason I guess! Alcohol is a real problem and have pretty much excluded it now - not that I was a big drinker but it seems to make things worse.Thanks for all comments, I will keep looking at this site - and will update any further progress I make!

10 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Folks
Yep i am a member of your gang! i have suffered from this condition for 15 years! it is hell.
I had gone without an attack for 6 months then last week 1.30am BANG i shot up out of bed waking my husband, i was about 15 mins before i could unclench my eye and it was a bad one. i do fear going to sleep at night when this happens but now i am back on "lacrilube" and in a couple of weeks i will forget to put it in and a will be on borrowed time to my next attack then i will be really mad with myself for not continuing with the lacrilube... anyone relate to this??
I get the condition in both eyes but touch wood never both at the same time,hell if that happened i should want to be put down!!!!
My sisters both suffer from this by the way.
look after yourselfs fellow sufferers.
Andrea

10 September, 2007  
Blogger kjrv said...

Hi all,

I injured my eye back in April with a cereal box, (yes I know!) and took a chunk out of my cornea. Well I have never ever felt pain like that before, I have had 2 babies, and would rather give birth than have my cornea stuck to my eyelid.

It healed quite quickly after the initial injury, but since then I have been suffering recurrent episodes, sometimes it can be weeks in between, sometimes days. I have been to the hopsital and have been told I will need the drops for life. I am considering further treatment now, I have been offered a contact lens so I make take up that offer, but apparently that has complications connected to it too, (risk of infection etc).

Anyway I'm so glad I found this website, it is such a lonely condition, you feel like the only one in the world when you wake up at 3am with a pain like your eye has been attacked with a needle.

Katy
UK

16 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, This is for Gary in Australia. I have been dealing with severe corneal erosions in both eyes for over a year now. I have tried the eye patch, frequent debridements of the epithelial layer(very painful), and eye drops and ointments. The specialists I was going to recommended the PTK surgery. This involves scraping the loose cells off the eye and then doing the laser surgery. He then placed a bandage contact on my eye. The first 2-3 days are painful, but I was given numbing drops to use for 24 hrs and then Vicodin or Percocet as needed. I had my right eye done in June and my left eye done in August. So far I have been doing good. It is definitely better than the daily painful erosions I was having before. I don't know what the longterm outcome will be, but I don't regret having the surgery. Karen, USA

22 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Karen, my State side friend.
Thank you so much for letting me know. I'd love to hear how you go after a while. If the PTK does the job, I'm in boots and all. 13 years of this is more than enough punishment. I'm ready to move on :)

I can be reached at gkt1965 at hotmail dot com should anyone need to contact me.

cheers.

Again, thank goodness for this web site.

04 October, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for this site! I go back to the doctor tmw and feel a little more confident with all of your info and experience. I have been suffering from RCE for 15 yrs but was "channeled" down the Cluster Migraine diagnosis (for which NO treatment helped...gee, wonder why?!?). I just got the RCE diagnosis about 3 weeks ago. I have it in both eyes and suffer EVERY night! I have a number of triggers and I am hoping some of you may respond with some supportive therapies to help out. Sunshine and winter snow glare are AWFUL! Do you wear any special glasses? Warm temps and dryness in the bedroom at night-HUGE-to the point that we run the AC at 65-degrees and my husband has to sleep on the couch because it is so cold! Hair, baby, anything touching the eye. Type 1 diabetes my doc has said had no relationship. Anyone elses opinion?? My husband just read all of the postings and he said out of all of them the only 2 not still suffering to such extremems that we do are the 2 who had the surgery ( and the one who wears the contacts but my doctor wont do that). Why such hesitance on the behalf of doctors to do it? Especially since I am feeling SO defeated by this and it is debilitating my life! Any thoughts?? Again thank you for this site and it is so comforting to know others are out there. hang in there and I pray it is a free night of pain for all!! Kris

09 October, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have had RCE for about 2 years now. I have had SK (scraping), followed by PTK, followed by SK, followed by another SK, followed by ASP (anterior stromal puncture). All these procedures within 18 months on my left eye. My right eye is starting to have episodes now and is pending an ASP with my Cornea Specialist. I had trouble again with my left eye the last couple of nights too. I have an identical twin who also has RCE...pretty much confirms the Genetic probability for us. She has had two SK's and an ASP in both eyes. THis is the most awful pain I have ever experienced.

09 October, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have had RCE for about 3 years now - a bit of twig went in my eye when strimming the garden. That will teach me to use goggles.
I really suffered in the beginning but am learning to deal with it now. Lacrilube at night along with Tesco's own saline eye wash. When I wake in the morning plenty of the saline before I open my eyes slowly. Whats the best solution for a long term cure - is there one?

10 October, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

noons seems to have picked up on the homeopathic route,i havnt had it since and was getting pain every night for many years. i have been pain free since visiting a homeopath in neals yard covent garden in london. sounds too simple eh but whatever drops she gave me to pop under my tongue cured me and i have been pain free ever since Caroline

11 October, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow - I am so amazed that this problem is so prevalent! I have a very different history but still the same problem. I had PTK on both eyes over a year ago to correct a slight vision problem. Within 4 months I started having extreme pain in my left eye. I was told it was dry eye and directed to use drops and Muro ointment at night. It helped - some - the frequency was less. But then after 7 months I was having them more and worse. Just waking in the middle of the night, stressing that it was "going to happen again" - I actually felt like I was having anxiety attacks - but that was nothing compared to the extreme pain I felt when an episode occurred. Well, in February I had an episode that lasted throughout the morning and went to a cornea specialist. He said that I was his strangest case because what was the cure to most people who have this was what caused the problem in mine. He recommended another PTK on my left eye, which I did. I had a contact bandage and the very night after it was taken off - it happened again! It has since continued to happen in both eyes - normally only one eye or the other but when it has happened to both - the pain is so extreme - it just makes me so angry! The cornea specialist has recommended either another PTK, the needles in the eye trick (No Way!), or plugs (but I can't see how that would help when he has said it is not dry eye!). I want to find an eye doctor that actually knows what to do! I have tried a humidifier in my bedroom, warm, moist clothes on at night, and even a gel mask that went directly on my eyelids which worked for a while but now it is happening even when I wear the gel mask all night. I think I am going to ask for contacts at night and see if that helps - it definitely can not hurt as much as what I have been going through! I don't want to have any more surgery because I am afraid it is going to do something to my eyesight permanently. I'm so sorry for those of you who have suffered with this for years - I pray that some doctor somewhere will find a cure for this! Thanks for creating this site - no one understands like those that have gone through it! God bless!

16 October, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear All !

I am Adam, I had a post here, few months ago. I have some new info, you might find helpful.

I have RCE for 5 years now. Started on the left eye, no trauma, then appeared on the right as well.

So, the new things/info from my doctor (who really puts effort to find the cure for me) are:

-Scraping has a success ratio of 5%. I already had it once, of course, nothing happened. If you can, skip it.
- PTK has 75%, but still it is more effective, if you're injury was caused by trauma. If you developed it genetically, it can be harder to find a cure (if there's one to be found at all...)

-my doctor advised me to try the homeopathic approach, so I will do that next week, with a specialist I will keep you guys informed about the result.

- contact lenses are only good if the damage on the cornea is relatively small. But...if you keep that in for a long time and you develop an infection under it, you may have a serious problem. That's why some doctors hesitate to tell you this option.

-An air conditioned room/house is a very-very bad environment for RCE, it will most definitely develop at night if you use it.
I had the worst period of my life when I had the AC on, it almost came out every 10th hour. Try to avoid that.

- Humid places are good, but again only for small problems, it will not help for anyone, who has it in both eyes and developed it genetically.

Finally…I am planning to set up a site for us sufferers, since to share our pain with each other is one way to ease it as well.
I have been suffering with this condition and definitely understand the magnitude it has on our everyday lives. If you need some comfort or just need to write it out or have no one to write to, about the pain you can always drop me a mail.
We have to believe, that for some of us the PTK will help, for others some homeopathic treatment might be the option.
Or someday, someone will come up with the cure.

Sadly for me, it seem that most of the doctors are just not familiar with this condition and on top of that, they are not really understanding nor empathic when it comes down to the pain it causes each night.

I am scared when going to sleep, but knowing that some of you can manage to at least live with this, and can share experiences with me is a huge, huge help.

Thanks for everyone,

Adam Szeleczky
Szeleczky@chello.hu

27 October, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks ADAM and bear in mind everyone that the only posative outcome where the pain has completly stopped is with the homopathic route. Try it xx

29 October, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can anyone who has tried the homeopathic route please tell me what exactly they have given you that has worked? Thanks!

06 November, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thats the problem cause i just had a two hour consultation where we discussed foods that i ate and life style and stress levels and just about everything you can imagine relating to me and the homeopath gave me these tiny white pills to dissolve under my tongue, the pain stopped that night and that was ten years ago. sorry to be so vague but the homeopath was in London Covent Garden in a health shop called Neals Yard

06 November, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the info posted here- I've had RCE for about 6 months - I was out cycling without glasses and a fly damaged my cornea.
I'm going to push for the laser treatment - but while I wait - has anyone found glasses or goggles that protect the eye completely from wind / air flow - whilst not looking too out of place - I need to get back on my bike!
Jim

07 November, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am suprised to see that so many others are having this problem. I felt as though I was the only one, at least in my town. No one has ever even heard of RCE. I have been experiencing it for 2 1/2 years, which seems like an eternity and then I read where people have had it for 15 years!?!?! Kill me now!. I wear bandage contacts every night along with Liqui-gel. I have tried Muro 128 drops and ointment, Minocin, anterior stromal puncture (4 times), lacrilube, humidifier, and debridement. The only option we have not tried is the PTK and that is because I had PRK for vision correction and it started immediately after the PRK. I am at my wits end with this. It is a life altering condition and it has been very expensive buying all the drops, medciations, contacts, and copays. I have seen two corneal specialists and they haven't had any better suggestions than my ophthalmologist. I know they are all doing everything they know to do, but it is still very frustrating. My doctor says she will call me if anything groudbreaking comes along. If an of you find anything that works, please post it.
Betsy, South Carolina

10 November, 2007  
Anonymous Gabriella said...

It feels great to be able to share the experience with other. I had corrective laser treatment on both eyes in Sept 1997. In Sept 1998 I experienced my first corneal erosion. I woke up one morning and just couldn't open my eyes. The top layer had become totally unstuck. It was like an open wound and if I tried to open my eyes it would be like turning on a tap of water. I've only been that bad again once where the top layer had become totally unstuck. When my husband took me to the eye specialist and after applying the anesthetic my husband could actually see the top layer just hanging. When I had laser treatment to correct my eye sight they used PTK so there was no point in redoing the PTK to help me with RCE. I've had Anterior Stromal Puncture twice. At least the top layer stays in tact and doesn't fall off. Ten years on and I continue to suffer with RCE anywhere between twice to four times a year. I can handle the six months break but once I had it three times in five months and that was just too much to bear. I had an episode last week and another about a month ago. I think it happens when I stressed. The last month I've been dealing with my terminally ill father. I'm not sure if last week's episode was the usual RCE or conjunctivitis. I had some discharge from my eyes. I just cleaned my eyes with salt water. I'm hoping for a long break between episodes. A month ago it took about 6 days for the redness and swelling to go down. Last week it was shorter but the first day I just couldn't open my eyes. I use a computer for work and my eyes get pretty tired and vision is quite blurry. I put ointment in my eyes every night. I've only read about 5-6 comments but I've added site to my favourites. I'm looking forwarding to reading other peoples experience and what they do to help with the pain.

Good luck to all

28 November, 2007  
Anonymous Gabriella said...

From Gabriella - Sydney Australia
to Betsy, South Carolina and anybody that has had laser corrective eye surgery in particular PTK.

I read your comment after I posted my comment. I noticed you started to have the problem after you had the corrective laser surgery. It was after I had corrective laser treatment that I started to have episodes of RCE. I'd love to know how many more suffers may have contracted the problem from corrective laser treatment. Maybe we should warn people. I'd love to receive any emails from people. Maybe we should put a warning out to others considering corrective laser treatment although I think the drs making the money wouldn't be impressed. In hindsight, if I knew that I had to put ointment in my eyes every night for the rest of my life and also put up with so much pain when RCE occurs, I would gladly have continued to wear contacts and glasses.
Gabriella
angab@unwired.com.au

28 November, 2007  
Anonymous Linda R. said...

Hello everyone. I posted a comment here back in 2006. I still have not had an episode of RCE. I tried every cream on the market, choose not to have surgery, then tried to wear a contact at night. My doctor wasn't sure whether that would work but it does. I am very careful with cleaning my hands before putting the contact in and when taking it out. I have worn a contact at night for 3 years now and haven't had any problems. I found a doctor willing to order me the bandage lens, meaning there is no power in the lens. Yes there is a chance of infection but only if you are careless with keeping everything very clean. This is a small price to pay for avoiding that horrible pain. Until the doctors come up with a solution for this problem I will continue to wear the contact at night, it gave me back my life.
Blessings to all. Linda

02 December, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been diagnosed with this problem too. I had a scratch on my eye by a tennis ball when i was younger. Boy it can be painful to say the least. QUESTION I HAVE FOR EVERYBODY???
Do you use a computer regularly?
Are you addicted to gaming on the internet? Because i have not been using my laptop as much over the passed two months and my eye problems aren't as bad. Can you let me know....?? email me...cbi@telus.net
all the best.
mike in vancouver, bc

06 December, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dont use computer much so no link there but have noticed a massive sensitivity to lights when driving at night and it feels like people are driving on full beam when actually they are not

06 December, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, I've decided to try a homeopath after contacting the Neal's Yard Remedies shop in Convent Garden in London to no avail that they would not just send something to me without a personal consultation. Like I am going to jump on a plane from Arizona, USA and fly to London for a consultation!! Anyway, for those of you that have had the privilege of getting diagnosed through the homeopath in London - the little pills or drops that you put under your tongue - did you only do this a few times? or is this something that you are doing for the rest of your life? I want an idea of what to tell this homeopath that I am looking for. My episodes have subsided to mild at most but they have been occurring more often, say 3-4 times a week! I am now back to waking in the morning hours with panic attacks - afraid to even move or attempt to open my eyes! I hate this - someone please find a cure!!

07 December, 2007  
Anonymous katherine said...

so glad to have found this site.. I was just diagnosed this week after a horrid episode that left me blind for two days. I won't go through that again. Fortunately, my doc reluctantly gave me the contact after some begging. I"m going to try it tonight. Here's hoping I don't wake up every hour like I have been for the last several weeks. I would LOVE to go the homeopathic route... if anyone finds out what to use, PLEASE POST!!!

12 December, 2007  
Anonymous Jackie In Wisconsin said...

I have just been diagnosed with RCE after suffering for several months. I must admit my pain is not as severe as some have posted. I do have the problem with both eyes and they tend to heal very quickly after starting the antibiotic ointment the dr prescribed. I have been using Refresh PM with little results and was able to find Muro 128 that my doctor prefers. Hopefully it will be my answer as I would like to avoid any type of surgical procedure. I will continue to check this site looking for advise. Will also start with daily eye drops along with the night time ointment. Anyone have luck with attempting to get eye drops in your eyes before opening them...letting it seep in from the inner corner? I read it on a website and wondered if it would help. It said to add drops to the inside corner of your eyes BEFORE you open them in the morning. Anything is worth a try.

18 December, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I suggest going to a reputable homeopath and explaining your symptoms and seeing what they come up with. Must be worth a shot

09 January, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do homeopaths come in reputable?

Does anyone else feel, like a little, suspicious about the suggestion to see a homeopath. Not to mention that the person's post first mentions drops under her tongue then white pills.

Medicine can't cure everything its a very imperfect science but that doesn't mean that the cure must then be non-medical in origin or even that a cure is out there to be found. It sickens me to think that someone might trawl the internet looking for desperate people with incurable and very painful conditions to drum up business.

Please forgive me for calling you all desperate but thats what happens when you are faced with a problem like RCE.

Hope you are all travelling well learning from each other's genuine experiences with RCE and the various treatments you have tried.

On another note the author used patching for several days has anyone else done this?

09 January, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Am very shocked to read the last message as the insinuation that the suggestion of a homeopath was to drum up buisness. I am a genuine sufferer of this awful condition and was just sharing my experience to try to help at least one person with this painfull condition.Am very sorry that the person that sent the last message thought that my messages were a hoax am just hoping that not every one is as untrusting and negative Happy new year

09 January, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

read these pages and just want to cry. had a seizure last august and did the stick my finger in my eye trick for good measure, was great to get a few days off work...then the recurrent bit came along in december, followed 3 weeks later by another episode and only getting my full sight back yesterday... i want to cry cos my doc told me that it should heal properly within a year and all will be dandy...that doesn't sound like the case tho... big hugs and all to everyone who suffers from this, cos its pants. not got anything positive to say, but a hug can be good, and i'm new to it, so forgive me!!xxxxx

15 January, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi ! It's Adam again.

I tried the homeopath, but so far nothing really happened. I will give it another shot, but sadly no improvement so far for me.
I think this condition is terrible, and I just want to think, that people here are willing to help, not to drum up.

Of course, there is always a chance, that this is true.

I tried pathing, drops, surgery,you name it. I start to think, that it is time for me to find a good shrink. It is just more and more difficult to live with this. I just had a baby boy, and of course scared like hell, that the baby will get this later in life. So...I am fed up a bit now...

18 January, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Greetings everyone, brilliant to find this place.
Just got back from hospital last night after being diagnosed with RCE. I was just wondering, as I've had this pain for 3 years and am under the care of a neurologist, if anyone could describe whereabouts the pain actually is? It's more excruciating than a migraine as it's centred solely on the eye, but in my case it seems to be directly behind the left eye. Does this sound about right?
I had no knowlege of this syndrome until 12 hours ago and am now thinking that if the pain is indeed from RECE, I don't need my neurologist anymore as it would explain the "headaches". I did tell him when first referred that the pains were always behind my left eye. When they appear upon waking, they render me useless, couldn't stand up yesterday til 4 o'clock the pain was so bad.
If anyone has a sec to spare could they be kind enough to let me know the area of the eye that the pain originates from?
All these posts are very comforting and I'm sorry you've all had such terrible pain.
Best wishes,
Fiona.
ps I should add, the recurrence of pain has vastly improved after starting to wear daily disposable contacts approx 8 months ago, but as I can't wear them at night, I expect that's why I wake up with the terrible pain sometimes. Night-time contact use info very interesting , thankyou, will ask doctor about it.

23 January, 2008  
Blogger Deuce said...

Fiona, as I understand it, pain from corneal damage isn't properly "locateable", meaning that the pain can seem to come from various places in your eye, even though it's caused by damage over your iris.

So it seems likely that your feeling of pain behind your eye is from your RCES. Sack your neurologist and get an opthalmologist :)

Good luck all
Deuce

24 January, 2008  
Anonymous Margy said...

Hi everyone, I first left a note on this site back in Sept 2007. In October I had laser treatment to correct RCE in right eye. It's costly as not available on NHS but I was desperate. I had a bandage contact lens left in for few days after surgery to allow healing without risk of sticking again.was given steroid drops, antibiotic drops and drops for dry eyes. Had check up and lens removed after 4 days - all was looking great. Then after a few days the pain at night returned - cornea had stuck to lid once more - consultant wondered whether lens could have been left in longer - but he removed as it was uncomfortable - but I wish I'd kept it in a few days more. Since the laser treatment I have had 4 episodes - I have Celluvisc drops for daytime and Lacrilube every night - I have difficulty still to open my eyes on waking and do so as slowly as I can.I may have to consider having the treatment repeated if eye deteriorates but at the moment life is so much better than before the laser surgery.My consultant has told me it is a genetic condition - where the layers of the cornea flake because the little 'plugs' that give adhesion are missing.You could go through life without knowing about this - except if you have some trauma to the eyes.I am also on a course of 3 months antibiotics which are advocated to improve the general health of my eyes and so aid recovery longer term.I too think the problem is worsened when I feel stressed or anxious. I also have a pre-disposition to diabetes, having had gestational diabetes with all my 3 pregnancies.I have been advised that if laser surgery was repeated they would 'go a bit deeper' into corneal layers to encourage better fusing of the layers - have to be careful though due to effects on eyesight.I am happy to soldier on - nightly generous dose of Lacrilube seems a small price to pay - even for the rest of my life ( I am 53 by the way)Lacrilube is nighttime solution as drops can't stay the distance. I even think it worth setting alarm and reapplying at night if occurence is really bad. I hope this is of some help to others, good luck to you all, Margy

25 January, 2008  
Anonymous Gary said...

Hi again all. I've had a good run for the last 6 months. I've only had 3 minor episodes. I've been trying to keep my fluids up during the day, use eye drops during the day when I notice my eyes are getting gritty and using Lacrilube every night (just as I had for the last 10 years of this).

The day time treatments seem to be helping. Keep your clear fluids up!
Good luck all.

Gary, Brisbane Aust.

28 January, 2008  
Blogger Dancealways said...

Just wanted to say hi - I had this starting in 2004. Experienced the agony that everyone speaks of, and was willing to give up the eye if the pain would only stop. 3 years later it has quite settled down, but I'm always on guard. Self-help measures that I learned from a board online (healthboards - I don't know if its still up) include learning to wake with my eyes closed, and *still*, and keeping a bottle of lubricating drops close by, so that when I wake, if my eyes feel stuck closed, I reach for the bottle, and insert the tip of the bottle into the corner of my eye and the drops help loosen the eyelid from the eyeball. I always put Muro 128 before bed, and sleep with an eyemask to help my eyes stay closed. There is some research that shows Doxycycline to be helpful in this condition and I take it. I have not had an erosion in about a year. I also take Flax Seed oil (3 capsules). My empathy to everyone dealing with this as I know how absolutely agonizing it is. Never experienced anything more painful.

02 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My eye was damaged in February 07 after walking into a golden cane palm! The palm frond poked a whole in my cornea. I was sent home from the eye hospital with the line "it will get better by itself in a little while". A month or so later i returned to the same specialist hospital after many nights of excruciating pain and was told that i probably just had conjunctivitis. They clearly had no idea. No mention was made of Recurrent corneal erosion, so thank you so much for this enlightening sight. Last December i got a referral from the GP for an opthalmic surgeon who put me on dioxycycline for a fortnight. I had never heard of this before for RCES, but, as you know, you'll try anything in desperation. Well....i have not had an episode since just before Christmas and that is a record for me, usually having them every week or two prior to the dioxycycline. It may be lucky timing, but it seems like it may have worked, although i am still meticulous with applying the drops every night before bed. I am cautiously hopeful though that it may just have worked. Will post another note in a little while with an update. For anyone considering this path though, whatever you do, make sure you drink plenty of water if you take this antibiotic, and don't take it just before bed. I made this mistake and the antibiotic lodged in my oesophagus and caused horrid lesions as it ate my oesophagus wall away; the pain was (almost) as bad as the RCE, just different, and i wasn't able to eat for 10 days and even a mouthful of water going down was unbearable. Still, if it has worked on the eye, i consider it was worth the agony! Good luck to all. Jeanette, Brisbane, Australia

06 February, 2008  
Anonymous Gladys said...

I’ve never posted a comment on a blog before! But, you are all so lovely; I thought I would join the group. I was diagnosed with RCE today, my first episode since a snowball scratched my cornea over 15years ago! (Mind you, I was an innocent in the snowball fight, just watching the carnage. That's what I get for enjoying the spectacle)!

I think my case is mild, just feels like I have something in my eye, like pebbles or a huge piece of debris! I'm grateful for all the information! Hopefully your tips will help prevent my case from getting worse! I’m on the ointment and rewetting drops for a month! Hope this will be the end of it…as someone else said, not likely right?

Many thanks to all! Look forward to any new ideas. I’m particularly interested in the homeopathic route. Wow!!! Is there something I’m not seeing (for the woman, who is pain free and saw a homeopath, who suggest she was “blind” to something in her life).

09 February, 2008  
OpenID rigelkitty said...

Hi, first-time visitor, long-time sufferer...

While I haven't been diagnosed, I've had the described symptoms for 10-15 years.

It occurs every 2-3 months, always at night or in the morning when I wake up and open my eyes. There's a sensation like sand being between my eye and the eyelid, or like someone ran a razor across my cornea.

The sensation, while probably not as bad as some make it out to be, is still excruciating and leaves me pouring tears and unable to open my eyes for 15-30 minutes. Rolling the eyes or looking in a particular direction and blinking, or with the eye closed intensifies the pain, feeling very much like a single, large grain of sand or filament dragging across a specific part of the eye's surface

Looking in a mirror, there's no visible damage to the eye. After about 30-60 minutes, I'm able to go to sleep again if it's the middle of the night. When I wake up in the morning, if it's several hours or more, the pain is mostly gone. If it occurred when I wake up in the morning, the pain can persist for much of the day, although I can function again after 30-60 minutes. The longest stretch of residual ache has been three days of gradual fading. During that episode, I had double vision in that eye for two days, but normally there is no change in vision.

I've seen a doctor about the specific issue once and it was dismissed as nothing. I've mentioned it to my current optometrist, but RCE was not mentioned as a cause.

This morning, I experienced it for the first time in a few months. I had received a phone call at 8am and woke up quickly to answer it, opening my eyes with a start. While the initial pain was not the worst I've experienced, I was tearing for most of the morning and the sensation of a raw cornea or debris under the eyelid has persisted all day. I expect it will be gone by tomorrow morning or the day after, as it usually does.

Now that I know RCE may be the cause, I will try to remember to ask my optometrist at my next appointment. Hope my experience helps someone else recognize their symptoms and zero in on a cause, too.

09 February, 2008  
Anonymous Bill Y said...

Hi guys.

I too have Recurrent Erosion. I first developed the problem, without any sort of eye trauma the first weekend in October 2007. I had episodes usually every 5 - 10 days, although I did manage a period of 14 days without an episode. The episode always occurred in the morning, always waking me from sleep. (I've never had a waking episode). Several trips to the emergency department at my local hospital brought temporary relief with freezing eye drops, and was diagnosed with an ucler and/or a scratched cornea. Eventually I was referred to an opthamologist, who diagnosed me with Recurrent Erosion. Muro 128 cream was suggested, and I began applying it to my eye 3 - 5 times/day, including upon waking and at bedtime. This did seem to help when an episode occurred, but did not decrease the frequency of my episodes. I can concur that the pain of an episode is just intense. Often using my good left eye was not an option, as it put stress on my horrible right eye, and the right eye tending to want to do the same thing as my right eye was doing. Gently rubbing my eye through the eye lid in a circular motion seemed to help, and usually the episode was over within 2 hours, and more sleep would allow the eye to begin to heal. (I never did have a 2nd episode after returning to sleep). Usually by mid-day, things were normal.
I had a severe episode in early January of this year, where my eye was inflamed for 48 hours, at which point my opthamologist referred me for PTK surgery.
I had this surgery this past week, and I am now 6 days since the surgery. I've had several drops to use since then, including a steriod, antibiotics (due to the surgical contact lense I had inplanted at surgery), articifical tears, and a artifical tear gel to use each night at bedtime. So far, no episodes, and my eye feels great! Of course, it may just be too soon to tell.
One thing the operating Dr. told me - he said it was 'just the way my eye was built'. I have just recently discovered that my Dad suffered from this when he was in his 20's (almost 40 years ago!). This would seem to imply, at least in my case, that the problem is genetic.

Hopefully, this can help some of you.

10 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah - finally I've found out what's wrong with me! After 3 years of suffering and treatment for allergies, ulcers, herpes and dry eyes someone has finally given me a diagnosis which makes sense. And, the best bit of all (she says all too gleefully) my wonderful consultant said "I know exactly what's wrong with you - because I suffer with the same thing!" Take heart my fellow RCE friends, this guy operates on eyes for a living, if he can cope with RCE - so can we. (Mind you, there's no way I'll allow him to operate on me!)

Keep on lubing

Vicky

12 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello all,

Thank you for posting the blog. I have had RCE for 2 years now and was only diagnosed 1 week ago. your story sounds so like mine.

I won't bore you with the history but It started in my left eye with a scratch but now both eyes suffer. And yes the pain is unbearable!

All the best

Richard, Cambrigshire UK

19 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is so unforunate that we have to go through so much pain in 2008 and there is no cure!

My story is a little different but same results. I went to the hairdressers and she got hair dye into my eye, since then I have have recurrent erosion, which is soooo painful and unbareable, it has turned my life upside down and most of the days I feel I just can't cope with it anymore. Especially when the only thing the doctors can tell me is we don't know when it will stop.

My pain starts with the eye, then the side of the head and continues to the back of the head. It feels like a fire ball in your head and at the same time your eye hurts.

I have read some of the comments but none say they suffer from the headaches, does anyone else get the same systoms as me?

21 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have an appointment with an eye specialist next week who says he can fix the rca problem with a saline solution he brings into Australia from the USA. Has anybody tried this? I am a little concerned about it as he says it dries out the cornea, forcing it to repair itself. The other option is the scraping, which, by all accounts, does not have a high success rate. I am getting desperate to give anything a try, but, still wary about something that might cause even more damage. Has anyone heard of this? nette, QLD

08 March, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello everyone,
I just received the wonderful news this past week that I too have RCES. My doctor scraped my right cornea, installed a contact lens, gave me a prescription for antibiotics and eye drops and said go home and Google. I did.
My history is little different from the rest of you. I am 61 years old. I have had Type II Diabetes for 21 years, which I have kept under good control. About 6 years ago I had cataract surgery in both eyes (in which they implanted intraocular lenses and corrected my near sightedness). My RCES experience seems to have come on gradually. A little pain and not being able to focus at first. Then more and more symptoms until this past week when I could no longer open my right eye at all. Thank goodness my doctor is forward thinking. He says that after my eye has healed then we will discuss my treatment options.
And yes, to the question about diabetes, he says that it is one more wonderful side effect of the diease and patients with RCES MUST be extremely careful to not get eye infections as with this condition the protective layer (that helps you from getting an infection) is gone until it heals. That means no swimming pools, no hot tubs, no saunas.
So, right now other than my vision still being a little hazy I am pain free. And I will graciously accept that for now.
I hope that some of my comments help a few of you. I know I appreciated everything I read.
Ellen in the beautiful State of North Carolina

10 March, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so glas that finally such a blog has been posted. I am a 21 year old who has suffered from this condition for about 8 years. Same symptoms as everyone else, caused by trauma. I knew it was painfull, but until my last episode, where I was prescribed vicodin, and it did nothing, I had no idea that it was that bad (which is a good thing because now I know I will survive childbirth). Anyway, I will hopefully be having the PTK surgery next week (I am now legally blind because the scar that formed obstructs my vision fiel), I will post again next week. The only reccommendation I can give to all is to ALWAYS put your eye gel in at night. It only takes one forgetfulness to end up with that pain. Also, if you feel the symptoms reoccurring, pack your eye with the heavy eye gel (for me it is genteal pm ointment, preservative free) and rest your eye for the entire day and sleep. Also, keep your eyes lubricated during the day with preservative free eye drops (thera-tears)
Good luck to all!

11 March, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi all. I just left a comment yesterday. For most of us, this is a condition that we weill have to live with until there is a definite answer as to what will cure this. I was told (for those whose eyelashes have been falling out because of the gel at night, and the drops during the day) that is is imperative that whatever we put in out eyes be preservative free. I have also learned to wear sunglasses at all times! Regardless of it being overcast (as someone so rudely pointed out to me), there is still wind which can blow anything into our eyes and only trigger another episode. I will also be trying a homeopathic approach, in addition to the PTK next week. I will keep posting on the hopeful progress! Like someone else posted: keep on lubing!

12 March, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey everyone I have been on this homeopathic treatment for about two days now, and I can already feel the difference in regards to the dry eye. Also, washing off the lubricant with baby shampoo prevents your eyes from burning when you try to wash it off.

15 March, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

told you it was a good route. hope the man who thought i had mentioned the homeopathic route to drum up buisness has read the last message. hope your eye continues to heal.just to put record straight. as a singing teacher druming up buisness as a homeopath would not do me many favours.

19 March, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi,I am 44 and I have been suffering with this for about 6 months now, and like most of you feel totally isolated and I thought my life as I knew it was actually going to be over. As I read your comments and realised that there are so many of us I was relieved but cried, I had no idea that this was so common.


Trying to explain just how much pain you are in to people who don't have this is impossible, when you tell them it hurts just to eat, move your head (even with your eyes shut) and it hurts to talk so you need to be left alone, even though you feel lonely!

I have tried the gunk in the eye, I have my corneal cells scraped off 3 times now, the most incredible pain ever, even decided that if this was how it was to be I would rather be dead, failing that if they would give me a glass eye with no pain, I would have one tomorrow. Like a couple of others, I'm not usually bad with pain, I have 2 children, had ops and injuries in the past and been picked on by 3 big brothers, but this pain is off the scale.

Anyway I have been wearing a contact lense patch for about 3 months now (24 hours a day), have to put antibiotic drops in and gel tears, they took it off after 2 months and within 2 hours of going to bed the eye was worse than ever.

I am booked in for PTK laser surgery in April (about 3 weeks)and this should sort mine out, I live in hope. Apparently the treatment doesn't hurt because of the local put in your eye but because of the scraping the pain is quite intense for the first 48 hours after the op, this is the bit I'm dreading as I know how bad it will be but if it cures me, it will be worth it.

Hope you all find treatments that work for you, I'm just so glad I found this site because it has helped me more that you will ever know, I'm a mad kind of person but actually started to think that I was going proper mad!

21 March, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have been following this site for some time with interest and empathy for fellow sufferers .RCE Started for me approx 2001, same symptoms as most. Have had Laser surgery on one eye along with multiple micropuncture etc etc. Laser gave a relatively brief period of relief and improvement but over time has left me with a deep "ache" in the eye that gives rise to migraine like headaches lasting up to two days.(? cause)

Episodes of tearing have been several per night almost nightly for some time and in both eyes.Management has been the same as most, drops during the day and frequent use of Polyvisc lubricating ointment at night, always hopeing that I can wake quietly and squeeze more ointment in before opening the eye.

Recently my opthalmologist has again tried soft permeable silicone contact bandage lens after earlier failure, with contacts only exacerbating the problem. The first lens on the worst eye has produced significant relief over three weeks and I am now trialling lense' on both eyes. Still some day irritation from the lense BUT the night tearing is under control and this represents a huge improvement in comfort and enjoyment of life. The lense stay in 24/7 and are changed at 3/4 weeks. I am hopeful that I can continue to tolerate contacts as this is the most hope of a normal life I have had since the nightmare started.Frequent use of preservative free drops is still essential because of concurrent dry eye syndrome.I don't believe lense cures the underlying problem but am very hopeful it will enable me to manage the symptoms and enjoy life again without fearing sleep and the nightly pain.

Will be in London in June and plan to also try the Homeopathic angle,despite being a sceptic.

Lovely to read others comments and encouragement as remedies are sought. Courage and best wishes to all.

21 March, 2008  
Anonymous Colin Albright said...

Hi, I'm the chap at the top of this post who has had RCE for 26 years!....

Well now it is 28 years, as my specialist suggested I give the ointment another go..., a complete waste of time for me…

I feel the way forward with this problem if you are a long term sufferer is the Contact Lens route...

There is a gent here in the UK, Chris Steele, who is very much at the forefront of this type of treatment, and he has written some excellent papers on the subject….

http://www.optometry.co.uk/articles/docs/b6b4b895abaffc2b3fec71b4a4b0937b_CET23905.pdf

http://www.optometry.co.uk/articles/docs/044bc5254087248887366ae409d63fd4_CETpayl-211005.pdf

Well worth a read and may be something to try…., after 28 years now…, I really don’t see what you have to lose…

My life has been totally disrupted by this problem as it has a massive impact on my sleep patterns… I can’t remember the last time I had a good nights sleep…, and I would guess I run my life on about 60% power…

Good luck and have a read of Chris Steele’s work…

colin DOT albright AT gmail DOT com

26 March, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello to all! So I was scheduled for surgery (PTK) on April 3rd, only to find that the doctor that was going to perform the surgery (I had previously switched) did not recommend the surgery. THe damage done to my cornea was too much. He said there was a %5 chance that the surgery would help even in the slightest. I was grateful for his honesty and did not question God about this. My vision in my right eye is 20/40 and unless I get a corneal transplant (which I refuse to do) my vision will not improve. I am on a homeopathic treatment which so far has helped with the dry eye. I am also taking large doses of vitamin b-complex in the sope that this will help somewhat or help prevent further episodes. :(

17 April, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I developed this condition in Sept. 2007. Tried several different treatments including putting a contact patch over the eye. Didn't do anything for me. Went to an opthamologist and they plugged my tear ducts and after a week it wasn't any better. went to another doctor and they performed a treatment where they punctured the cornea several times in the affected area in hopes that when it started to heal that it would heal down into the punctures and adhere to my eye better. I have had a couple of small episodes since. They were very minor ones and the pain subsided very quickly. I use a lubricated eye drop before going to bed every night. I hope this helps someone because this is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

29 April, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too suffer from RCE and have been since April 2006. I struggled with it for a few months before getting referred to a great opthalmologist who diagnosed this as RCE. I tried the salt drops, had punctal plugs put in, had the stromal puncture, and nothing worked. Finally, my doc recommended PTK. I had the procedure 1.5 years ago, and have been episode free in that eye since. Now, I've started to have episodes in the other eye, and will not hesitate to get PTK on that one.

I would not recommend the stromal puncture, as it didn't help, was very painful, and has left me with scarring in my line of vision that will never go away.

The advice I can give to fellow RCE sufferers is go find a good Eye MD who specializes in corneal issues. There are things that can be done to reduce of eliminate this pain, and give you your life back.

Good luck,
D

07 May, 2008  
Anonymous Colin Albright said...

Hi it’s me again…, the bloke who has had RCE for 28 years….

I have read many of the possible solutions to the problem, and I can only wish you the best if you are hoping that some kind of herbal remedy will fix the problem… You must ask yourself, “if it was as simple as a herbal remedy, don’t you think the might of the medical science would have worked it out by now…?”…

In my case, as I guess with many of you…, the problem is a defect in the cornea that I will have for the rest of my life… It is not something that will be solved by trying to remember to gently open your eyes in the morning, or a herbal remedy, or an ointment…. None of them worked for me…, I tried them time and time again in the false hope that they would give me an answer to this problem… 28 years!!!, I’ve tried them all…., and wasted hours with specialists, I’ve even had a corneal debribment…, nothing worked for more than 10 mins…

But I’m here today to report that I have an answer to the problem!…, not a solution…., because at this time there is no way to fix this problem…, but there is a way to stop the nightmare….

Last month I decided to take control of my problem… I booked an appointment with my local optician..., with a view to explore the contact lens route…

Now, there is a degree of luck here…. I met a chap at my local opticians who was from New Zealand and was we versed in the use of Therapeutic Contact Lens… (TCL’s). He was surprised that this was not more common place in the UK, doctors seem to persist with the “ointment and artificial tears” route, which does not address the problem and only gives a temporary answer…

He fitted me with a set of clear Bausch & Lomb PureVision®12 (balafilcon A) lens… I put them in before I go to bed and take them out in the morning… They are so good I don’t even know they are in… I could wear them 24/7 if needed…

Brilliant!..., the problem of the eyelid sticking to the cornea can no longer happen…, it’s impossible because the lens acts as a bandage, so the eye can heal… It may be the case that you will only need to use them short term to help your cornea to heal… From what I read, 3 months is the time is needs to fully recover, and the contact lens allows you to get this….

For me this is a long-term answer to my problem, the inconvenience of putting the lens in is so minor to my life but the benefits are enormous…

My opticians are –

Hugh Douglas
Leightons Opticians
56, Grosvenor Rd,
Tunbridge Wells,
Kent TN1 2AS

Hugh knows his stuff on this subject…. You need to get them fitted correctly and this is why you need someone who thoroughly checks all aspects of your problem….

“He and sleep were one again….”

colin DOT albright AT gmail DOT com

08 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know that this is really late in the game, and I hope (without cynicism!) that you have resolved this problem. For others who have not, I found relief by using Dwelle eye drops! They are over-the-counter drops sold in the U.S. (only on line-- not available in stores, unfortuneately) but can be shipped elsewhere. They have saved my sight without surgery. They are messy, burn sometimes, and took months to really do the trick, but they did it. I just wanted to p

09 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have RCE. Here are the treatments that have been successful for me, I hope they help you:

* the "contact lens bandage" worn 24/7 for several weeks. Doctor prescribed this after I had some acute night pain incidents. I LOVE THE CONTACT LENS BANDAGE. Don't be afraid to try it. I was surprised that some doctors above were reluctant to prescribe.

* Muro 128 at bedtime EVERY NIGHT. Must be strict with yourself about this one...one missed night and problem starts up again.

* be proactive with lubricant eye drops, use them BEFORE you feel the sandy griity feeling. I use drops about one time every hour. I use Systane or Optive. I have a little digital kitchen timer on my desk at work that beeps to remind me, and another timer at home. Does every hour sound like too much? It's so worth it, just try it! I live a typical busy and stressful American mom life style, but I make myself fit in the drops.

* when waking up in the morning, keep eyes closed and still. Keep lubricant eye drops nearby, squeeze into corner of eyes before opening, then open slowly and gently as drops disperse.

* drink lots of water to keep your whole body hydrated. On days when you have had alcoholic drinks, force yourself to drink extra water before bedtime

* I have an appt in June to discuss possibly having the PTK.

My heartfelt empathy to all the people who posted above, and all future posters. The acute pain is unbelievably excruciating. The milder chronic pain is aggravating. Are you a new sufferer, or just new to this blog? RCE is not rare, lots of people have it. Sometimes it develops by itself with no related cause, sometimes it develops as result of injury, sometimes it is a related symptom of a "corneal dystrophy". Even corneal dystrophy is not rare, just sounds so scary.

Just Google "corneal erosion" or "corneal dystrophy" to see lots of info.

By the way, if you have corneal erosion then LASIK is not a good idea for you. In LASIK the cornea is moved, which is fine for a healthy cornea but not for a cornea with erosion or dystrophy.

My RCE is caused by "epithelial basement membrane dystrophy" also call "map-dot-fingerprint dystrophy". Again, sounds horrible, but it's a common thing to have.

10 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just suffered 2 episodes of RCES a week apart at 5 a.m. I had never heard of this problem and feel very fortunate my eye doctor at Kaiser diagnosed the condition immediately. He recommended Muro 128 ointment at night and Tears liquid during the day. More options if I have a reoccurence I feel sorry for those people that had to suffer so long waiting for a diognosis. Some of the blogs were helpful, but most scared the pants off me!

22 May, 2008  
Blogger ロイ said...

Hi guys. This is the last thing you want to involve in when you are still alive. You would sacrifice anything to get rid of this intense and killing pain. It's horrid!

I have had this for nearly 4 months, usually in the morning, saw ophthalmologist he gave me FML and lube to use at night.

It was totally fine that week. A month later, it's starting again, it's twice as bad.

Visiting the same ophthalmologist, he gave me antibiotics Doxycycline for a month. Still under treatment, it's quite effective. Finger crossed, no surgery involved whatsoever.

I researched bit Doxycycline can help reducing some enzymes in cornea which cause parts falling off. Still dropping FML and lubing at night, surely.

Keep lubing and hope for the best.

Try asking your doctor to give you Doxycycline.

All the best. Roy - Sydney.

03 June, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find my eyes are better if I take a daily multi-vitamin.

07 June, 2008  
Anonymous Andrew Tainton said...

Hello to all you lifesavers. I have had RCE for five years and for the past year, it has been hell on earth (as well you know) without a night's full sleep. Scratching one's own eyes out does actually become a thought-about option, and that's definitely not a good sign!

Well, like you all, I read and read and read and read to find a miracle. I also went to our fantastic NHS eye hospital many, many times. But, as you all know it is a fairly low priority thing, even though we know it isn't.

I went the steroid route, the lacrolube route, you name it.

Then I read about wearing a contact lens at night from this site. I tell you, my whole life is better. I sleep like a log, my eye is healing big style and I do not get even a twinge of pain.

I went to my optician and got him to provide me with a bandage (it's just a contact lens without the lens bit) contact lens. They are soft, you can wear them day and night for 30 days at a time. It's heaven. You may feel a bit nervous about taking them in and out as you feel overly sensitive about the risk of further eye damage, so get the optician to do it for you until you get the hang of it.

I use preservative free viscotears at night too on top of the lens just to keep the whole thing going. The combination is unbeatable.

Thanks so much for your help with this!!! I feel so great and my eye is whiter than white can be! Go forth and wear lenses!
Andrew

12 June, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i was diagnosed today 16/6/08. after being seen yesterday by nhs24 and told I had conjunctivitis. excuse the spelling.i knew this was not right as the pain I was in was very sore and made me feel sick and sore. i have now found a great pair of sunglasses that are helping me get on with the day to day task. sorry to hear so many people have suffered at the mercy of nhs or similar. i was not given any adviced about what not to do and reading everyone's comments has given me a far greater insight to how I can help myself. i have to return in 8weeks to see the doctor again. thanks for all who took the time to share the joys (or not) of recurrent corneal erosion syndrome.

17 June, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was skeptical about reading these comments until I ended up spending over an hour reading everyone's testimonies. I have never experienced something like RCES, which I now have a better understanding of the benefit(s) of support groups.

It seems I can relate to almost all of what you have gone through, except for how long I went to through the symptoms, and for those of you who went through double- trouble with both eyes, I cannot even imagine.

My RCES onset April of 2007 and my last serious occurrence during September of 2007. I know many of you are thinking, "boo hoo," that's it? Understood.

My last occurrence (albeit very minor) was about two months ago (April 08). I would like to add one thing I experienced that nobody has mentioned yet. During my last serious occurrence (other than the razor blade/throbbing pain that you have all mentioned), the corneal edema caused my right eye to droop so low that my lower eyelid looked like a flesh fishhook!

Anyway, I also have some remedies to share. First of all, I have experienced a remedy that nobody has mentioned yet...God. You want true healing? Ask God into your life. You will get more than physical relief from RCES. So many of you mentioned the serious anxiety associated with the pain and getting to sleep enough. God will take that away if you let Him.

How does God enter your life? Admit your wrongdoings to Him in prayer and believe in Him. You must also repent (turn away from that which keeps you from being skeptical and/or not Glorifying God). Are there strings attached? Nope. It is a free gift. Which he makes clear in His word, The Holy Bible. I was already saved before I got RCES, so when I started getting very anxious about my sleep, I gave it all to Him, and wow did He answer!

Please know that God is aware of your past, your thoughts & desires, and you do not have to "clean up" beforehand. He takes care of that for you. I know it seems too good to be true or even a complete fraud to you. It is not about being religious or not, it is about the truth, which is that "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son so that whoever believes in him would not perish but have eternal life (John 3:16)"

I will pray for everyone who has posted comments. Please know that relief from RCES is only one of a multitude of blessings that you will experience in giving your life to God. I understand your apprehensions as I have experienced them too at one time...doubt, not wanting to give up what I want...thinking that I can do it alone. "Apart from me you can do nothing," declares the Lord.

Here are some other remedies that have worked along with God's healing. Genteal eye drops (severe dryness formula) and Genteal PM gel. Also, consider buying a contour pillow (tempurpedic spelling? :) ) I have experienced one very minor occurrence ever since I have used the gels and the pillow. It makes me realize now that God has let this RCES hold on just a tiny bit (don't think I can even call it RCES anymore) so that I could post this really long comment to help others!

I hope what I have shared helps.

19 June, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh it seems I forgot to leave my name at the end of the June 19,2008 comment. My name is Matt.

19 June, 2008  
Anonymous Si said...

Matt - the only thing most of us here are religious about is using eye lube! All hail Lacrilube..the true God of RCE!! Thanks for the preaching..the phrase 'time and a place for everything' springs to mind'.. but each to their own eh.

Back in reality land..I've been using lacrilube at night for 6 mths now..although still get the pain on waking every week or so, for no apparent reason.

I was lucky that i have a good optician in London who spotted the RCE quickly and sent me to a corneal specialist. The specialist has told me the options are A) try to let it heal on its own for another few mths (and to keep using lacrilube for 2 mths after the last episode or when i think its healed B) have this surgery where they peel back the cornea and put chemicals on your eye and it apparently hurts like hell for a few days but only has a 60-70% success rate!
So still on the lacrilube..and still got the fingers crossed.

23 June, 2008  
Anonymous Si said...

..By the way..I forgot to mention that i also have (borderline) kerataconus in the same eye as the RCE. The specialist couldn't tell me if this makes me more pre-disposed to RCE..so would be interested if anyone else out there has the same..

23 June, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Si,

I was not aware that you had jurisdiction over this blogsite. Furthermore, are you sure you can speak for everyone who posts comments here?

Bottom line: Read carefully before passing judgment. Did you read the part that said this is "not about religion?" Or did you just see the words "God" and "religion" present and amuse yourself by doing (quite ironically) exactly what the bible says unbelievers will do?

As for the saying "time and place for everything," you tell me Si. Shall I speak the good news to other Christians in church who already know Christ? Is it inappropriate to acknowledge the same God who created you and me (whether you choose to believe it or not makes no difference) and Lacrilube?

Surely I feel no anger only pity Si. I would not just post a comment about God on "The Hopeful Cynic" unless there is an undeniable truth I had to share. Does that bring you "back to reality" Si? The reality is that if I were to share info about a pill on my last comment that heals RCES or kerataconus, you would be elated to even meet me in person to get one. But mentioning the creator of the universe? How inappropriate of me.

Si, I will be praying for you. What is really cool is that I do not even have to know who you are and God can change your heart if he wants to because He knows you.

On a final note: The 2nd option you mentioned (B) actually has a lower success rate than 60-70%. It is called corneal debridement and I had it done 9 months ago. I still had minor occurrences months afterwards. Then again I suppose it couldn't hurt to try.

In Christ,

Matt

24 June, 2008  
Anonymous Brenda said...

Wow! My story is very similar to most on here. I think I was having small occurrences for several months last year, but when they corrected fairly quickly, just thought I had something in my eye or scratched my eye or whatever. Until October 30, 2007, woke in middle of night with horrendous pain .. several posters said "like razorblades" .. I have described the pain as feeling like there were "rusty razorblades" in my eye. My eye doc said I had a corneal tear - one of the worst she'd ever seen. It put me out of work for a whole week and daily doc appts that whole week and half of the next. I couldn't even have the right eye open until the fifth day because the pain was so bad. Eye doctor told me to really treat the eye carefully and that if it recurred within six months it greatly increased the chances of it becoming a recurring condition. My six month mark was April 30 and I had had no recurrence. Another month went by, thought I was out of the danger zone, but this morning 2:30 a.m. I awoke to the pain and flooding tears from my eye (the same eye again). After an hour or so, got comfortable enough to fall back to sleep for a few hours, and then the pain started again when I woke up. Back to the eye doctor's today. My doc doesn't work on Tuesday, so I saw another doc in the practice. He has given me a new treatment he said he just learned about in a conference a few weeks ago. I saw some of you mention some of the 'cycline drugs. He has prescribed a 60 day (twice a day) dose of Minocycline (50 mg) and Lotemax (.5%) eye drops .. 1 drop in the eye 2 times per day also for 60 days. He says after this course of treatment, there is a 90% chance that the RCE will never occur again!!! I just started the treatment today, but I'll keep you posted as to how it progresses. Thanks for all of the information on this site. It has been most helpful.

25 June, 2008  
Anonymous I hate religious zealots even more than RCE said...

Matt, thank you for your prayers and for your pity. I have seen the light and embraced God and brought Jesus into my heart. And simpy because you suggested it on a website about eye conditions.
Amazing.
A true miracle.
Praaaaise the Lord.

P.s. I heard the voice of God this morning (and I wasn't even on the toilet) - he gave me a message for you - he says he named you Matt because it rhymes with prat.

27 June, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Si,

"Matt - the only thing most of us here are religious about is using eye lube!" "All hail Lacrilube" (Si)

1. The fool says in his heart, there is no God (Psalm 14:1)

"Thanks for the preaching..the phrase 'time and a place for everything' springs to mind' (Si)

2. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them (1 Cr 2:14)

"I hate religious zealots even more than RCE" (Si)

3. All men will hate you because of me. (Luke 21:17...words of Jesus to his followers)

"P.s. I heard the voice of God this morning (and I wasn't even on the toilet) - he gave me a message for you - he says he named you Matt because it rhymes with prat" (Si)


4. "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires." (Jude 1:18)
___________________________________

5. But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you (Luke 6:27...words of Jesus)

So I will keep praying for you Si. It is probably best that we end this since this is not actually between me and you, and I do hope you can come to understand that. And yes, it is a site about eye conditions, not ideal for spiritual debate. However, if you want to be much more informed we could take this to the phone lines. I assure you that I have spent over two decades understanding things from your vantage point. Have you truly ever tried to understand from mine or countless others who share the faith? It is never too late. I hope things work out for your RCES and keratoconus.

04 July, 2008  
Anonymous Gee said...

Hi folks.

I did a bit of googling and found this site. So just wanted to say thanks to everyone talking about their eye problems and saying what has worked or not for them.

My story is in 2 parts...
About 4 years ago I injured my right eye with something scraping over the surface. Shortly afterwards both eyes began ripping.

At that stage it wasnt too bad. It was a few hours of pain in the morning once a weeks or two. I wasnt using any eye drops. Doctors told me to live with it and I'd heal (this is in the UK)
I found that if I went through periods of stress with little sleep my eye ripped more frequently.
So if its not too bad then more rest and chilling out is helpfull in minimising how often it occurs.

Then in October 07 everything changed.

I woke up screaming. For the next 48 hours I couldnt open my eyes and without any pause, tears constantly poured from them.

I went to the docs and then to a specialist eye hospital. I got lacrilube and celluvisc (1%)

That was October, this is now July. My eyes have ripped every morning since then at this new elevated pain level.
Daylight or any source of light is painful. Once the throbbing starts after being exposed to any light then the eyes rip far worse the next day.

I used to have perfect eyesight.
Now I can barely see anything out of my right eye and I'm thinking that may be the reason why I get headaches now when I strain to try to read anything.

The advice people give about waking up slowly and carefully and putting drops in before you open your eyes is nice.
In my situation I wake up most mornings wondering what that noise is before realising that its me screaming in pain.

So... what now?

I read last night about the combination of a tetracycline and a corticosteroid giving a 90% success ratio.
e.g. doxycycline (100mg daily 6 weeks) / prednisone eye drops (1-2 week) combo.

I called my doc today and am waiting to hear back from her about this - if its legit and I could try it out.

The other suggestion about some sort of contact lens sounds promising also. Time to push the docs as living like this is just not an option!

Good luck to everyone.
If you find anything that works - please write back so that we can perhaps try something we hadnt tried before.

22 July, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, I last posted to this site on 21/3/08. Since then I have been wearing biofinity aquaform soft contact lenses prescribed by my Opthalmologist(bandage lenses). These have solved my RCE symptoms completely. I wear the lens 24/7 and replace every 3-4 weeks. Use refresh plus preservative free eye drops as needed and when retiring at night. The only problem experienced has been hayfever and itchy eyes during the allergy season in UK whilst visiting there. More management was needed during this period. The underlying problem is still there but NO MORE night pain,migraines etc. Different things seem to work for different people but to date this has been the best and most effective solution for me, after having unsuccessfully had all the other treatments so far mentioned by everyone.

Good luck to everyone.

23 July, 2008  
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24 July, 2008  
Blogger Baritone Bob said...

Add me to the list of new RCE club members. I posted a short account of the diagnosis at http://www.baribob.net/?p=777

I've had symptoms for a year and a half, and pain that has persisted into the daytime occurred about 6 times in the last couple of months.

If I don't get it under control I'll ask for the contact lens therapy.

from Florida, USA
Bob

24 July, 2008  
Anonymous Gee said...

Hi again folks

I could use your help....

I had another specialist docs appointment today.
I'm now wearing bandage contact lenses in both eyes and have a course of doxycycline.

I did ask about the doxycycline/prednisone combo but he was unaware of it. I was asked to find and print off my own research from online showing legit documentation of clinical trials for my next appointment.

So does anyone know where I can find this information?

Thanks and good luck to all.

31 July, 2008  
Anonymous Gee said...

further to my post just above... something went wrong.
The morning after having the eye bandage lenses in my right eye ripped. Over the next few days there was constant pain just from blinking or moving the eye. I called the eye hospital and got an immediate appointment.
Turns out a large chunck of my eye has come lose. Had debridement there and then to remove it.

got lots more meds and for the pain 30mg dihydrocodien and sodium diclofenac.

So far it just feels lie a bad rip. Cant wait to wake tomorrow morning.....

For good news - the eye bandage in my other eye has actually done some good and my eyesight has improved.

So the seem to work for some eyes...

good luck all.

06 August, 2008  
Anonymous Tim Watson said...

HI, I feel for you. I discovered I have RCE after my eyelid gave me a huge abrasion. I was treated for dry eye which can cause that but the problem was it got worse instead of better. I got a secondary bacteria as well! I have had over 4 weeks of pain with my right eye. So I was sent to a specialist and he said mystery solved. You have RCE. So I continued antibiotic drops and a pain drop as needed plus Muro 128, an ointment that goes right on the eyball on both eyes and reduces corneal swelling as well as lubricates. I found it also stuck my eyelids, so I had to fumble to the bathroom in the middle of every night to flush them with water before opening them. It worked though. I will have to take Refresh liquigel every night the rest of my life and it is still no guarantee this will not happen again. The main thing is to remember to not pop your eyes open when you wake up. I keep a cold wash rag and lay on them a moment or two before opening them. I wish everyone luck with this. It is trying at times, but hopefully is manageable.

14 August, 2008  
Anonymous Dan said...

I had RCE in left eye about 5 years ago, and after 2 years of treatment, first drops and nighttime lubricants, then bandage contacts for months, it went away.

Then I got it in my right eye, including one spell as others have described where it hurt so much I couldn't open either eye for more than a second. I had to dial a neighbor whose phone # I had memorized and get driven (and led) to the ER, when the pain didn't subside after 2 hours (as it had on prior spells). I'm using a bandage contact in that eye, for a week at a time, then I clean/disinfect the lens, and wear it one additional week. Before the lens, I tried Muro saline, but that didn't seem to help.

For those of you doing bandage contacts, and who also wear glasses, they make contact lenses that are "Plano", that is, they have no prescription power. For a while I had to wear -0.5 and -1.0 bandage contacts and it wreaked havoc with my near vision.

The eye doctor used to put them in for me, but now I have a prescription and put them in and out myself.

In the U.S., a 6-pack of plano lenses was $35 at my eye place; a prescription was required.

I'm still using lubricating drops, too! I am about to try NOT wearing the contacts during the day, because my eye feels strained and tired from wearing them--I had switched from contacts back to glasses due to eye fatigue over a decade ago.

The notes about preemptive and regular administration of the drops are ones I agree with. Buy a couple bottles so you have one on the nightstand, one in the office, one in your backpack/briefcase/purse. If you're flying, make sure to carry on drops with with (most are small enough to be put in the clear ziplock bag with other liquids), and then keep them on you (not in the overhead!) so you can use them regularly.

Best wishes to everyone with this for relief and clear vision!

19 August, 2008  
Anonymous Dan said...

Oh, I meant to add--I don't recall ever having a specific injury to cause my RCE. As I have now had it in both eyes, my doctor said it could be genetic, although I don't know of anyone else with it in my family.

19 August, 2008  
Anonymous Ret said...

I am sick of suffering with this problem. The pain is so bad and I never know when it is going to happen.I had a bad attack last week after putting drops in my eyes at 11pm and then again at 3am. For no reason at 4 am I woke with a sudden onset. This bout lasted for a week.
Off to the specialist this time. Trying 3 months of Doxycline (antibiotic)and tear again spray. Spray much easier to use and you spray it on to your eyes when they are shut. Hoping this will work, has doxycline worked for any one out there?

26 August, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some advice...
I have had RCE for 10 mths now, and never went more than 2-3 weeks without an occurence. I was using Lacrilube every night, but then decided to try this Muro128. Can't get it here in the UK so i bought it off ebay from the USA.
This is probably tempting fate by posting this, but it's now been 6 weeks since i started using it and not a single occurence. I've also been running the tube under hot water before applying as I find it spreads better.

Hope that helps y'all!

27 August, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

p.s. make sure it's Muro128 5% ointment, not the solution.

27 August, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I scratched my eye about 15 years ago and about 5 years ago I woke up in the morning and felt like it was scratched again - very painful. Went to the eye doctor and said I had recurrent corneal erosion. Wonderful! He told me to put Muro 128 5% ointment in every night for about 3-4 months, which I did (some times I would go for a week with no pain, then it would start up again), but after 4 months it seemed healed. Then the next year it happened again. Very uncomfortable, painful, watery eye!. So I put the Muro in for 4 months and then it was ok again. Did this for 5 years, then I got tired of it. My eye doctor recommended PTK laser surgery which is supposed to correct this in 80% of people. So I said, what the heck, I'm tired of dealing with it. So I had it done. The corneal surgeon scraped the little pieces of the top layer of eye that were hanging (which causes the pain) and lasered it, put a contact lens bandage on it for a couple of days. The surgery only took 5 minutes and was no big deal. After the surgery, I had to put drops in every hour and Muro ointment every night. I was doing great for over 2 months, then I woke up and felt like I had razor blades in my eye. He said the erosion had recurred so I ended up missing 2-1/2 weeks of work and he had to put a patch on my eye so it wouldn't be opening and blinking. Then it was ok for 4 weeks and it happened again the other day. I went to the eye doctor and he said there were just a few little pieces hanging this time (but it still hurts like hell!), but as the day went on it felt better. He just said to put the Refresh Celluvisc drops in every hour and Muro ointment at night. That's about all you can do. I'm hoping one day it will just stop, but I know what you mean - it is so painful and uncomfortable and your eye just keeps watering constantly - it's hard to do anything, especially work! But just so you know, the laser surgery doesn't work for everyone. Good luck to you.

01 September, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you! Thank you! for posting this. I was finally, after seeing 4 doctors, diagnosed with this today.

The pain is worse than child birth, and I know this from experience. Some days the pain is gone within an hour and somedays it takes half the day to get relief.

Has anyone noticed onset after being at the pool? Seems after a day of playing with my kids at the pool the next few days are insanely painful. Didnt know if this was coincedence or not.

Ive been wearing the bandage contact for 24 hours now. The doctor said I will still feel some "scratchy" sensation but not as bad as before. Also, if you're wearing the lense....it HURTS when its CHANGED!! The lense sticks to the cornea and sometimes rips when removed. I recommend asking the doctor for numbing drops before changing the lense.

I begin the Muro drops tonight and I have hope thanks to your postings. Thank you again and best wishes to all of you.

04 September, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Everyone, I wrote sometime back in 2007. I have had RCE for about 3 years now and the only relief is bandage contacts. No more drops all day long, no more pain when you least expect it. It was a living nightmare. I have worn the contact now for 2 years with no episodes of RCE. Soft lenses worn only at night, then I remove them during the day and live my life. Thank goodness it is only in one eye. I wish everyone good luck with finding a resolution to your problems. Linda

07 September, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Linda,

What brand and/or size of soft contact bandages do you use for your RCE??? I have occasional symptoms of RCE after 1 and a half years (albeit mild compared to others who have shared their blogs)in one eye. Do you change them easily on your own? Thanks!

10 September, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I developed severe RCE in 1995. First tried Muro 128 which worked for a while, but then the RCE returned with a vengance.

Over time I developed RCE in both eyes. I agree. I have had kidney stones several times and this pain is close to as bad.

Originally my Doctor tried the puncture routine which unfortunately did not solve the problem.

Next he did the laser procedure and I have been about 90% better. Still get pains but not as severe. I use Muro 128 ointment every night and it seems to really help.

My Doctor said to use it the rest of my life and I agree. The only problem is the extreme cost. Since it is mostly lanolin and sodium I cannot figure how they can charge $20.00 for 1/8 ounce. But since it helps I will give up food before going thru that pain again..

24 September, 2008  
Anonymous Gee said...

Hi again folks,
4th posting here with update to progress and meds.

@ Ret
Doxycycline by itself for 3 months is no use to me. Been on it for almost 2 months now - but it can help some people in one of 3 ways
1 - it can be used to treat chlamydia which can affect the eyes.
2 - it can help seal the layers of the eyes together
3 - when used in conjunction with a very short course of prednisolone it can have a very high success rate at fixing the erosions. Prednisolone can have serious side effects on the eye pressure and its efficacy is dependent on the type of underlying damage to the eye.

Be warned that doxycycline also has serious side effects when any of your skin is exposed to the sun for even a couple of hours so always keep your skin covered and wear a hat.

See below for more info.


Update #3
A large update - maybe someone will find some usefull information.

Since my last post..
- Right eye - continuing to rip every few days including one severe episode a couple of weeks ago.
- Left eye - accidentally knocked out the bandage contact lens. I was told my eye looked better so they wouldnt bother replacing it. My left eye began ripping that night.

Light sensitivity is bad.
Have to stay indoors without lights for the last month. When I'm exposed to daylight or lightbulbs for 1-2 hours I get a throbbing pain at the back of the eyes. Once this kicks in I always get rips in one or both eyes. Intensity of throbbing pain and the resultant rip depends on how long I stayed in the light.
I researched sunglasses. My category 3 lenses are no use. Category 4 (high altitude Mountaineering) may help more but I dont have a pair to test.
Bandaging both eyes as soon as the pain starts does help.
Bandaging my worse eye and wearing sunglasses over the other eye allows me to stay under a light source slightly longer.

I've been doing some research and changed docs from a general eye specialist on the NHS to a corneal specialist on private care. The eye doctors I've seen didnt have a clue about the cornea which is just abysmal. They couldnt tell me about any of the online research I'd done into the efficacy of various procedures. This new doctor *IS* a corneal specialist and was able to understand and answer all my questions and completely revised my medication.

One of the things he said is that there are lots of different trreatments for RCE because there are lots of causes/patterns of damage that could initiate it.
For instance Stromal punctures and PTK would be no use to me because they are for specifically damaged areas of the eye. Apparently my whole eyes are damaged, diseased, swollen, full of toxic chemicals and I have blood vessels growing into the cornea where they shouldnt be.
Lovely! ;)
So just lubricating the eye (lacrilube and celluvisc 1%) as the other doctors had me doing or wearing bandage contacts would actually not only fail to address the problem but could make things worse. (May explain why the last eye bandage just ripped a chunk out of my right eye)

I'm now on Prednisolone 0.5%, Doxycycline 100mg, Sodium Hyaluronate 0.18% and "Simple eye ointment"

Apparently its important to be tested for diabetes and chlamydia to eliminate any underlying causes.
- I had the diabetes test about a month ago and am fine
- chlamydia - not been tested for before but from researching it online it looks like if I had anything the doxycycline would have taken care of it.

In 7 days I go back to see how this new treatment is working and where we go from there.

I suppose it is also worthwhile noting that I have been on a course of SSRI's over the last year. These dry the eyes and could be why my eyes have flared up so badly. I managed to persuade my doctor to stop them last month.
Unfortunately 2 things changed 1 month ago so I cant say which one has affected my eyes.
My eyesight has returned to normal in that I can read the bottom line of the eyecharts. For the last year I've only been able to read the top 3-5 lines.
Possible cause 1: stopped taking SSRI's
Possible cause 2: stayed indoors for 1 month and bandaged my eyes at night and for about 50% of each day. I only went outside twice (rips each time for those hospital visits)

So if you are on SSRI's it may be worth inestigating that possibility - with your doctors consent and careful monitoring!

But above all, ensure you speak with a corneal specialist - not just a specialst eye doctor.

Good luck.

26 September, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi,
I am 12, and i have just been diagnosed with R.C.E.
I went to the optometrest on friday because for about 2 weeeks before i went I had realy sore painfull eyes when i woke up in the morning. the optometrset gave me a prescription to go and get some antibiotics eye drops.


My cornea was dammaged by wearing +6.5 oisis contact lenses. each time i put the lenses in they rub some of the outer layer of my cornea off. So now i have been wearing glasses for about 10 days. the pain is still occuring in the mornings but it aventually wears off through out the day.

has anyone else so young have this?

19 October, 2008  
Anonymous Sandy said...

Hello!

Thanks to all of you for leaving your comments here. I really felt alone until I discovered this site. I've had RCE for five years, having had an attack (as I call them) every week or two. I am 63 and had my two children (now 33 and 34) without anesthetic and, as others have said here, the pain of RCE is as bad as labor, fortunately it doesn't last as long!

It took visits to two optometrists and two ophthalmologists before I found one (actually two, saw her partner with her at the same time) who understood and concurred with my own diagnosis of RCE which I made on the basis of reading lots of books and online. Frustrating journey, but now I have an eye doctor(s) I trust.

I want to share with you some things I've done which really reduced the frequency and severity of the attacks. First, dietary changes:
*eating more soy products
*eating no meat, including fish and chicken (contains many harmful substances, including toxins)
*eating a diet of mostly organic vegetables and fruit, a wide variety
*eating soft boiled eggs 2 or 3X/week, no dairy products
*taking a tablespoon of flax/DHA oil per day (I like Udo's best)
*drinking a little red wine daily (not for our 12 year old friend!)
*eating more avocados
*omitted eating white potatoes (The only night I had two attacks was after eating a bunch of potato salad)
*drinking more liquid
And next, other changes:
*stopped rubbing eyes, now just press gently when I need to
*using Genteal drops for moderate dry eyes several times during the day
*using Muro 128 ointment at night and cover eyes with a folded strip of plastic wrap, taped at the temples with gentle paper tape
*using a little drop of the Muro ointment during the day if my
eye(s) felt painful/extra dry

Since I've been using the Muro (for three months), I am so happy to say I've not had one RCE attack. Covering with the plastic wrap sounds weird but, for me, it really works. The best price on Muro I've found is at Costco, 2 tubes for $28.

What you all have shared here has been of great benefit to me, I hope what I've shared will help some of you.

Sandy
Seal Beach, CA

27 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5 years ago my then toddler scratched my cornea. What pain! Some nights I cryed before going to bed because I knew the pain that was ahead. Unbelievable. Ive had old cells scrapped off my eye then a contact bandage on for about 1 year. I cryed when they took it out, in fear of infection they had to. Touch wood, I've had no pain for about 1 year. I put loads and loads of lacrilube in my eye every night without fail. I can feel it pulling through the night sometimes and it's usually very dry in the morning. Very carefully I put in loads of minims artifical tears and more lacrilube if its in the night. I always got worse pain when I had a cold for some reason, but I 've just got over an awful one and no pain. No one understands how painful it is through the night, and I can't believe that mine must be getting better. So for anyone out there ( and I know there is) it mightn't be pain forever. You're not alone, its bloody horrific. All I can say is, loads of lubrication.

05 November, 2008  
Anonymous Gee said...

Hi again
5th posting - last one on 26th Sept 08

Before my update just a word to the 12 year old with rce....
Sorry to hear you have it so young.
I'm not sure what your optometrist has told you but its important to note that it can take about 3 months without any rips/scraping pain for your eye to heal. so...
1 - dont rub your eyes
2 - Lubricate them as often as possible.

You dont say why they are sore in the mornings..
If they are dry and scraping when you wake then you probably need some overnight lubricant.
If they are ripping then you probably need to see a specialist.

Whatever the situation... good luck to you.


Now for my own update...

Since changing Specialists and meds my life has changed incredibly.

- I have had NO RIPS!!!!
(No rips 26th Sept - {now} 6th Nov where previously it was EVERY DAY!!)
- I can handle a lightbulb on in the house or even daylight without pain
- I am no longer in constant pain and am painkiller free (I was at 60mg dihydrocodein & Diclofenac level)
- I can sleep for 6 hours now. For the last year I've been only able to sleep for about 1hour every 1-2 days due to the pain/rips keeping me awake

However, I am not completely cured.
My eyes still get dry and scrape. Although this is purely my fault for forgetting to take the new lubricants.
But I have finally found some lubricants that work for me and keep it under control which is why I can finally go a full nights sleep now.

Lacrilube and celluvisc were useless for me.
The lubricants that work are Vismed and "Simple Eye Ointment".

So if you find yourself waking up in pain during the night with dry or ripping eyes - seriously consider trying a different ointment.

Another thing that helped was bandaging my eyes at night to keep them closed.
So be sure to try that as well.

On the down side I have some weird 'side-effects' that I dont know if anyone else has experienced.
I keep falling over. Whenever I move or change where I look I become incredibly dizzy. I initially thought it may have been the prednisolone eye drops but that ceased a few weeks ago leaving me only on the doxycycline. So perhaps its that.... I will be tapering off the doxycycline over the coming weeks so we shall see.
Isnt the internet great? ;) I've just done a search and discovered that although dizzyness isnt a listed side-effect of doxycycline, it appears to be a common complaint.

Hope that info helps (in context of my previous updates)



So just to serve as a summary of the potential treatments that you should discuss with your corneal specialist to see which is the correct option for your particular version or RCE we have

1 - Lubricants only.
For some people this is enough - but experimentation may be needed to find the best combination of lubricants. This is the doctors first attempt to help to see how bad the problem really is. However, a good specialists examination should identify which additional treatments may be necessary to treat any underlying undiagnosed problems.

2 - Contact Lens eye bandages with lubricants.
Only helpful for some types of damage patterns and if there is no underlying inflamation which would need to be addressed first.

3 - Doxycycline and Lubricants.
A side effect of doxycycline is that it can help seal the layers of the eyes together.

4 - Doxycycline, Prednisolone eye drops and lubricants
Requires careful monitoring as steroids in the eye are risky but it has high success rates for certain types of rce

5 - Alcohol delamination
Can help for certain types of RCE

6 - Stromal Puncture
Useful for only specifc points of injury but has low success rates (50%)

7 - PTK
Can help for speific points of injury but has higher success rates than stromal punctures.



And the moral of the story is that you have to become more of a specialist in your ailment that the majority of the quacks you see!!! ;)

Good luck

06 November, 2008  

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